<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title></title><style type="text/css">p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Tue, Oct 22, 2019, at 5:32 PM, jEsuSdA 8) wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt"><div>El 22/10/19 a las 19:55, houghi escribió:<br></div><div>> On 2019-10-22 14:19, jEsuSdA 8) wrote:<br></div><div>> <br></div><div>>> - As you can see the appearance of CSD and non-CSD windows are<br></div><div>>> completely different. Mousepad Vs. Pluma. Not the same borders, not<br></div><div>>> the same shadows, not the same window title, not the same buttons or<br></div><div>>> icons, not the same lights... this is an objective problem, I think.<br></div><div>>><br></div><div>> <br></div><div>> I personaly hate the wasted space of the title and the icons.Minimize, <br></div><div>> maximize and close can be done as fast if not faster with keys. And I <br></div><div>> oftem minimize or maximize only horizontal or vertical. And I do not <br></div><div>> look at the title at any time. I see what the program is. I see more <br></div><div>> details in the tabs if they exist. If not, I still see what it is.<br></div><div>> <br></div><div>> So a great option could be the ability to turn off title bars on a <br></div><div>> window or program level. e.g. how Windowmaker does it. Right click and <br></div><div>> all the options can be changed on different levels. RTo me that <br></div><div>> flexability is thinking of the user.<br></div><div>> <br></div><div>> Fort now I use the "Border-only" theme that puts a 1 pixel border around <br></div><div>> the window and removes the window title bar. The theme can be found here <br></div><div>> https://www.xfce-look.org/p/1016214/<br></div><div>> <br></div><div>> To further comment on this issue. I am a user. I do not completely <br></div><div>> comprehend the situation to bne honest. I just want things to work and <br></div><div>> look as I like it. If I don't, I go to something else. Probably back to <br></div><div>> Windowmaker due to change the windows settings per window as well as <br></div><div>> much easier by just right clicking and going into the menu.<br></div><div>> <br></div><div>> houghi<br></div><div><br></div><div>Of course, one of the things I love from XFCE is you can configure XFCE <br></div><div>behaviour to fits your preferences.<br></div><div><br></div><div>In fact, both of us can configure XFCE to having a coherent and <br></div><div>personalized environment although our preferences are totally different.<br></div><div><br></div><div>The point is: Will CSD improve this or obstruct this?<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>CSD will neither improve or obstruct this. We plan to implement this the Xfce way, where we gain from the improvements without sacrificing our configurability.<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt"><div><br></div><div>In my case, if gtk3-nocsd won't be able to be applied in a complete and <br></div><div>easy way, CSD will prevent me to do things nowadays I'm able to do with <br></div><div>XFCE. If the new XFCE version can work in one way I could disable CSD, <br></div><div>it is perfect to me. We both, the CSD lovers and CSD haters will be able <br></div><div>to configure XFCE and fits our preferences, like now.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Will this be possible?<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I guess I need a bit more information here... what benefits do you get from using gtk3-nocsd? Is it just for consistency with non-GTK3 applications, lost features, something else?</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt"><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div>Xfce mailing list<br></div><div>Xfce@xfce.org<br></div><div>https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce<br></div><div>http://www.xfce.org<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div></body></html>