CDE is the Motif based desktop environment which Xfce is loosely based. For those of you interested: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=278&slide=39 CDE 1.6 screenshots. Xfce pretty much beats the pants off of it on all levels, at least from the screenies. -- CAPS LOCK: ITS LIKE THE CRUISE CONTROL FOR AWESOME -Erik