[Xfce-i18n] About German translations

Jannis Pohlmann jannis at xfce.org
Sun Oct 19 23:01:44 CEST 2008

Am Sun, 19 Oct 2008 13:28:04 -0700
schrieb "Brian J. Tarricone" <kelnos at xfce.org>:

> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 21:32:46 +0200 Jannis Pohlmann wrote:
> > Hey,
> > 
> > Am Sun, 19 Oct 2008 20:29:16 +0200
> > schrieb Fabian Nowak <timystery at arcor.de>:
> > 
> > > > Take two dialogs like 'Appearance Settings' and 'Accessibility
> > > > Settings'. If one is translated as 'Erscheinungsbild' and the
> > > > other is translated as 'Barrierefreiheitseinstellungen für Xfce
> > > > 4' this not consistent. Personally, I'd prefer to use generic
> > > > names. 'Xfce4', 'Xfce' and 'Xfce 4' doesn't have to appear
> > > > everywhere. 
> > > 
> > > Totally agree. Was somehow on my TODO list as well. Though, we
> > > should try to make it suit the menu where they are listed as well
> > > as the settings dialog. I think this is where the dilemma arises
> > > from.
> > 
> > Yeah. I was planning to talk to the other devs about this. I guess
> > it makes sense to use generic names in the desktop files as well
> > since most of them are only visible in Xfce anyway.
> There's some reasoning here, but it's kinda stupid.  The .desktop
> files have three (sigh, sorry about that) name strings to translate.
> According to my original rationale, they go like this:
> Name - full name of the dialog, don't assume anything about the
> desktop environment.  Example: "Xfce 4 Desktop Settings"
> GenericName - shortened name of the dialog, assuming that Xfce is
> running.  Example: "Desktop Settings"
> X-XfceSettingsName - super-short name of the dialog to be shown in the
> settings manager.  Assumption here is that we want to take up as
> little physical space as possible, and the user already knows we're
> talking about Xfce and settings, so, for example: "Desktop".
> In practice, though, 'Name' will never be used.  Why?  Because
> our .desktop files for the settings dialogs contain
> "OnlyShowIn=XFCE;", which will hide the item from any other desktop.
> The Xfce menu prefers 'GenericName' when XFCE is in OnlyShowIn, or
> when X-XFCE is in Categories, which is of course the case for all our
> dialogs.
> Anybody know what GNOME does?  I don't have any core GNOME packages
> installed that have settings dialogs.

It looks like they only use Name and use it in a generic way:


> Mini spec rant: the problem with all this is that OnlyShowIn just
> doesn't work with modular components.  If the user is running GNOME
> with xfwm4, they'll never see the xfwm4 settings dialog.  But if we
> remove the OnlyShowIn, and the user is running GNOME with
> metacity, but also has xfwm4 installed (maybe another user on the
> machine uses Xfce, or maybe the user uses Xfce sometimes), then
> they'll see "Xfce 4 Window Manager Settings" in their menu, which is
> confusing (though undeniably better than two "Window Manager Settings"
> entries that open different dialogs).
> But then again, I suppose probably the type of user that would install
> two different desktop environments or would use a foreign window
> manager would understand enough of this to figure out how to get to
> the right settings dialog.  Maybe.

Agreed, that sucks. No idea how to workaround that properly using the
standards we have.

  - Jannis
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