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    Pessoal, boa noite.<br>
    Conforme thread abaixo, venho comunicar o encerramento desta lista
    de e-mail.<br>
    Esta medida foi tomada com base na pouca utilização destas listas de
    e-mail para localização, de agora em diante favor utilizar a lista
    Xfce-i18n, sugiro adicionar a tag do idioma [pt_BR] no assunto dos
    e-mails nesta lista.<br>
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    Fico a disposição para esclarecer qualquer dúvida.<br>
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    Atenciosamente,<br>
    Andre Miranda<br>
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            <td>Re: Proposal: reorganizing i18n</td>
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            <td>Thu, 2 Nov 2017 22:17:47 +0100</td>
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            <td>Romain B <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:skunnyk@alteroot.org"><skunnyk@alteroot.org></a></td>
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            <td>Xfce development list <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:xfce4-dev@xfce.org"><xfce4-dev@xfce.org></a></td>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi all,<br>
        <br>
        I'm agree with the short term plan.<br>
        <br>
        Some lists are not used since ages (more than 4 years for the
        -pl or -cn), so I propose to close them now.<br>
        We can send a mail to semi actives lists (fr/de/br, in native
        language ? (anybody to help ? :))) which explain the plan, and
        redirect people to the global xfce-i18n.<br>
        <br>
        About long term, I'm agree too. We need a big revamp of the
        translator wikis and simplify the "introduce" process ( <a
          class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
          href="https://wiki.xfce.org/translations"
          moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.xfce.org/translations</a>
        / <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
          href="https://docs.xfce.org/contribute/translate/start"
          moz-do-not-send="true">https://docs.xfce.org/contribute/translate/start</a>
        ). Vinzenz, are you still motivated?<br>
        <br>
        I'm available on freenode/#xfce-dev , so whoever wants to help
        on this topic, ping me :)<br>
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        <br>
        Skunnyk,<br>
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        On 10/10/2017 03:54 AM, André Miranda wrote:<br>
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        These ones:<br>
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          href="https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce-i18n-br"
          moz-do-not-send="true">https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce-i18n-br</a><br>
        <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
          href="https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce-i18n-cn"
          moz-do-not-send="true">https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce-i18n-cn</a><br>
        <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
          href="https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce-i18n-de"
          moz-do-not-send="true">https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce-i18n-de</a><br>
        <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
          href="https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce-i18n-fr"
          moz-do-not-send="true">https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce-i18n-fr</a><br>
        <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
          href="https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce-i18n-pl"
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        <br>
        Instead, keep only:<br>
        <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
          href="https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce-i18n"
          moz-do-not-send="true">https://mail.xfce.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce-i18n</a><br>
        <br>
        All in all, I agree with the proposal, except B3, there's enough
        friction already about self-hosted/proprietary services, let's
        see how we settle for the git hosting then we talk about
        Transifex :)<br>
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        Cheers,<br>
        Andre Miranda<br>
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/09/2017 10:48 PM, Igor
          Zakharov wrote:<br>
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          cite="mid:159801507600129@web22j.yandex.ru">Hi,
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          <div>What maillists are you talking about?</div>
          <div>I'm translating on transifex but have never used any
            maillist for that.</div>
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          <div>Regards,</div>
          <div>Igor<br>
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            <div>09.10.2017, 20:41, "Pablo Roberto Lezaeta Reyes" <a
                class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                href="mailto:prflr88@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><prflr88@gmail.com></a>:</div>
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                                <div dir="ltr">On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at
                                  1:08 AM Vinzenz Vietzke <<a
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                                <blockquote style="margin:0 0 0
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                                  <br>
                                  I recently went through many parts of
                                  Xfce's i18n infrastructure and<br>
                                  documentation. To make it short: lot's
                                  of old stuff, many things<br>
                                  unmaintained but truly a lot of useful
                                  gems grown throughout the years.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  So following up is my proposal for
                                  reorganizing i18n in Xfce, split into<br>
                                  two phases. I put it up on this list
                                  to reach more people.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  A. Short term<br>
                                  <br>
                                  1. Dump mailing lists. One list
                                  (xfce-i18n) is enough and for<br>
                                  language-specific questions,
                                  discussions a short [LANG] tag added
                                  to the<br>
                                  email topic should do the distinction
                                  job.<br>
                                  Bonus: questions might be answered
                                  quicker as more people read them.<br>
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                        <div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;">​Yes,
                          1 Mailist is enough and most (just most not
                          all) project I know use only one.​</div>
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                                  2. Before dumping email all lists
                                  subscribers directly and (of course)<br>
                                  telling them about. Plus asking them
                                  if they are on this list alread<br>
                                  and, which is even more important, if
                                  they would like to help out on<br>
                                  Transifex.<br>
                                  <br>
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                        <div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;">​There
                          are cases of Transifex contributors not in any
                          of the lists so if is possible send a mail</div>
                        <div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;">to
                          the contributos on transifex too could help
                          them know that there is a maillist or see that
                          is</div>
                        <div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;">encouraged
                          to at least be part if it.​</div>
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                                <blockquote style="margin:0 0 0
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                                  needs coordinators for every language.
                                  If there is no one<br>
                                  coordinating a language there should
                                  be some "super-coordinators" as<br>
                                  backup. These persons shouldn't be
                                  devs or at least not core devs.<br>
                                  Stacking work leads to problems.<br>
                                  <br>
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                        <div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;">​Yes
                          a super-cordinator could go in hand since
                          there are some languages without cordinators</div>
                        <div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;">as
                          you mentioned, also there are cordinators that
                          are MIA too.​</div>
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                                  (mostly RFC)<br>
                                  <br>
                                  1. Ease up the introduction process.
                                  Someone dropping by at Transifex<br>
                                  sees the need of some translation work
                                  in his language. If he decides to<br>
                                  register at TX, to join team *and* do
                                  work: yeah, cool!<br>
                                  But forcing him to additionally join
                                  the mailing list and introduce<br>
                                  himself is a major blocking thing. I
                                  guess it's something from the<br>
                                  pre-Transifex days where quality
                                  assurance had to be done manually. But<br>
                                  with the split of translators &
                                  reviewers over TX this should be
                                  obsolete.<br>
                                  <br>
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                        <div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;">​Well
                          so far many aren't arealdy on the mailist so
                          dropping it is ok.​</div>
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                                  2. Wiki needs clean up. There are lots
                                  of really, really useful things.<br>
                                  But as well there is lots of ancient,
                                  outdated stuff. Unfortunately most<br>
                                  stuff is mixed so there needs to be
                                  manual work done.<br>
                                  TBD: a process of cleaning up, either
                                  dumping everything and rebuilding<br>
                                  or the other way around.
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                        <div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;">​Wiki
                          just need a way to anyone to contribute, I
                          have tryed sign-in, log-ing but i failed... is</div>
                        <div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;">somewhat
                          ​looked or need special permissions?<br>
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                                  the use of Transifex. It's not self
                                  hosted and it's<br>
                                  proprietary but it does the job. There
                                  are up- and downsides of it so in<br>
                                  the light of the Git hosting
                                  discussion TX should also be
                                  reconsidered<br>
                                  *openly*.<br>
                                  <br>
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                        <div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;">​I
                          still remember why we move to transifex.</div>
                        <div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;">"Was
                          because the self hosting was becoming so time
                          consimong and we havent <br>
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                        <div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;">updated
                          the stuff and it was breaking" or something
                          like that...</div>
                        <div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;">Returning
                          to self host will be like return to the same
                          thing that we move to</div>
                        <div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;">reduce
                          the burder over the maintainers.</div>
                        <div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;"><br>
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                        <div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;">Also
                          I thing with all we could ended trying to chew
                          more that our maws can handle, so</div>
                        <div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;">better
                          see how the git-self-host-move go and then
                          evaluate the option and the option​s of move</div>
                        <div style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;">and
                          where to move with the translations.<br>
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                                  speaking I'd step up for both doing
                                  "dirty jobs" as well as<br>
                                  coordination work.<br>
                                  Thanks for your time reading this!<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Looking forward to your comments,<br>
                                  vinz.<br>
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