From machinehasnoagenda at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 03:32:57 2005 From: machinehasnoagenda at gmail.com (Mr Machine) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:32:57 +1000 Subject: file missing from xffm, svn? Message-ID: <42F95949.8000700@gmail.com> hi trying to build xfce from svn ... everything seemed to go ok, except for xffm, which has been giving me errors like this for the past few days: > deskview.c:32:27: error: deskview_menu.i: No such file or directory > In file included from deskview.c:34: > deskview_mb.i: In function 'mb_util_get_root_pixmap': > deskview_mb.i:112: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 10 of 'XGetWindowProperty' differ in signedness > deskview_mb.i:112: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 11 of 'XGetWindowProperty' differ in signedness > deskview_mb.i:130: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 10 of 'XGetWindowProperty' differ in signedness > deskview_mb.i:130: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 11 of 'XGetWindowProperty' differ in signedness > In file included from deskview.c:37: > deskview_callbacks.i: In function 'on_button_press': > deskview_callbacks.i:248: error: 'xfdesktop_menu_t' undeclared (first use in this function) > deskview_callbacks.i:248: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once > deskview_callbacks.i:248: error: for each function it appears in.) > deskview_callbacks.i:248: error: syntax error before ')' token > In file included from deskview.c:40: > deskview_monitor.i: In function 'watch_root': > deskview_monitor.i:17: error: 'xfdesktop_menu_t' undeclared (first use in this function) > deskview_monitor.i:17: error: 'xfdesktop_menu_p' undeclared (first use in this function) > deskview_monitor.i:22: error: syntax error before ')' token > deskview_monitor.i:33: error: syntax error before ')' token > make[3]: *** [libxffm_deskview_la-deskview.lo] Error 1 > make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/mrmachine/programs/xfce-svn/xffm/gui/deskview'make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/mrmachine/programs/xfce-svn/xffm/gui' > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mrmachine/programs/xfce-svn/xffm' > make: *** [all] Error 2 the deskview_menu.i file doesn't seem to be anywhere ... svn was working fine up until a few days ago. shayne From edscott at xfce.org Wed Aug 10 03:59:24 2005 From: edscott at xfce.org (Edscott Wilson Garcia) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 20:59:24 -0500 Subject: file missing from xffm, svn? In-Reply-To: <42F95949.8000700@gmail.com> References: <42F95949.8000700@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1123639164.22340.117.camel@scorpio> El mi?, 10-08-2005 a las 11:32 +1000, Mr Machine escribi?: > hi > > trying to build xfce from svn ... everything seemed to go ok, except for > xffm, which has been giving me errors like this for the past few days: > > > deskview.c:32:27: error: deskview_menu.i: No such file or directory > > In file included from deskview.c:34: > > deskview_mb.i: In function 'mb_util_get_root_pixmap': > > deskview_mb.i:112: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 10 of 'XGetWindowProperty' differ in signedness > > deskview_mb.i:112: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 11 of 'XGetWindowProperty' differ in signedness > > deskview_mb.i:130: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 10 of 'XGetWindowProperty' differ in signedness > > deskview_mb.i:130: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 11 of 'XGetWindowProperty' differ in signedness > > In file included from deskview.c:37: > > deskview_callbacks.i: In function 'on_button_press': > > deskview_callbacks.i:248: error: 'xfdesktop_menu_t' undeclared (first use in this function) > > deskview_callbacks.i:248: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once > > deskview_callbacks.i:248: error: for each function it appears in.) > > deskview_callbacks.i:248: error: syntax error before ')' token > > In file included from deskview.c:40: > > deskview_monitor.i: In function 'watch_root': > > deskview_monitor.i:17: error: 'xfdesktop_menu_t' undeclared (first use in this function) > > deskview_monitor.i:17: error: 'xfdesktop_menu_p' undeclared (first use in this function) > > deskview_monitor.i:22: error: syntax error before ')' token > > deskview_monitor.i:33: error: syntax error before ')' token > > make[3]: *** [libxffm_deskview_la-deskview.lo] Error 1 > > make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/mrmachine/programs/xfce-svn/xffm/gui/deskview'make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > > make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/mrmachine/programs/xfce-svn/xffm/gui' > > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mrmachine/programs/xfce-svn/xffm' > > make: *** [all] Error 2 > > the deskview_menu.i file doesn't seem to be anywhere ... It was hidden in the 4.3.3.0 branch. It's now in HEAD as well. > > svn was working fine up until a few days ago. But without the option to use the same popup in xffm-deskview as in xfdesktop. -- Edscott Wilson Garcia From machinehasnoagenda at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 04:02:40 2005 From: machinehasnoagenda at gmail.com (Mr Machine) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:02:40 +1000 Subject: file missing from xffm, svn? In-Reply-To: <42F95949.8000700@gmail.com> References: <42F95949.8000700@gmail.com> Message-ID: <42F96040.6060509@gmail.com> Mr Machine wrote: > hi > > trying to build xfce from svn ... everything seemed to go ok, except for > xffm, which has been giving me errors like this for the past few days: > >> deskview.c:32:27: error: deskview_menu.i: No such file or directory >> In file included from deskview.c:34: >> deskview_mb.i: In function 'mb_util_get_root_pixmap': >> deskview_mb.i:112: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 10 of >> 'XGetWindowProperty' differ in signedness >> deskview_mb.i:112: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 11 of >> 'XGetWindowProperty' differ in signedness >> deskview_mb.i:130: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 10 of >> 'XGetWindowProperty' differ in signedness >> deskview_mb.i:130: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 11 of >> 'XGetWindowProperty' differ in signedness >> In file included from deskview.c:37: >> deskview_callbacks.i: In function 'on_button_press': >> deskview_callbacks.i:248: error: 'xfdesktop_menu_t' undeclared (first >> use in this function) >> deskview_callbacks.i:248: error: (Each undeclared identifier is >> reported only once >> deskview_callbacks.i:248: error: for each function it appears in.) >> deskview_callbacks.i:248: error: syntax error before ')' token >> In file included from deskview.c:40: >> deskview_monitor.i: In function 'watch_root': >> deskview_monitor.i:17: error: 'xfdesktop_menu_t' undeclared (first use >> in this function) >> deskview_monitor.i:17: error: 'xfdesktop_menu_p' undeclared (first use >> in this function) >> deskview_monitor.i:22: error: syntax error before ')' token >> deskview_monitor.i:33: error: syntax error before ')' token >> make[3]: *** [libxffm_deskview_la-deskview.lo] Error 1 >> make[3]: Leaving directory >> `/home/mrmachine/programs/xfce-svn/xffm/gui/deskview'make[2]: *** >> [all-recursive] Error 1 >> make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/mrmachine/programs/xfce-svn/xffm/gui' >> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 >> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mrmachine/programs/xfce-svn/xffm' >> make: *** [all] Error 2 > > > the deskview_menu.i file doesn't seem to be anywhere ... > ahhh, is cool ... it showed up in svn just after sending previous mail. as it would :D shayne From machinehasnoagenda at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 11:17:05 2005 From: machinehasnoagenda at gmail.com (Mr Machine) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:17:05 +1000 Subject: xffm, display/icon artifacts bug? Message-ID: <42F9C611.4070408@gmail.com> hi, xffm from SVN has been doing a bit of wierd stuff from about the time the xffm-deskview gui came into the equation ... it doesn't happen *all* the time, but most of the time it does. when i'm browsing through folders in icon view, if i browse to a lower level that has fewer files/folder in it, then occasionally the files/folders from the parent are still displayed in the level below (i hope that makes sense) ... here is an example of what i mean: 1) http://www.machinehasnoagenda.com/images/folder_1.png this is the parent folder ... all the icons are displayed properly. 2) http://www.machinehasnoagenda.com/images/folder_2.png this is the rpm child folder ... as you can see, the svn/tarball/and even rpm folders are displayed even though they're not there. i'm pretty new to, um, complaining about this sort of stuff ... would i put something like this on bugzilla? shayne From machinehasnoagenda at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 11:25:53 2005 From: machinehasnoagenda at gmail.com (Mr Machine) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:25:53 +1000 Subject: xffm-deskview Message-ID: <42F9C821.6070007@gmail.com> sorry for all these questions (i'm writing an xfce how-to for some friends whom i've xfce'd, in preparation for the next release) ... was hoping someone could clear up a few queries about xffm-deskview (and most recent kid on the block, xffm-desktop) ... i read from the dev-blog that there was some screwiness with setting the background with xffm-deskview. apparently it will grab it only when it has been set *after* deskview starts. i've tried this with xsetbg, but no go ... if however i kill xffm-deskview, start xfdesktop, then restart xffm-deskview, open "desktop settings", tick and untick the "show image" button, i get xffm-deskview plus my background. but then if i save the session on exit, it don't give me the same setup on logging in (i have to basically go through the above steps again). is there a better way to do this, or is this still being worked on? shayne From edscott at xfce.org Wed Aug 10 15:36:12 2005 From: edscott at xfce.org (Edscott Wilson Garcia) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 08:36:12 -0500 Subject: xffm, display/icon artifacts bug? In-Reply-To: <42F9C611.4070408@gmail.com> References: <42F9C611.4070408@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1123680972.22369.146.camel@scorpio> El mi?, 10-08-2005 a las 19:17 +1000, Mr Machine escribi?: > hi, > > xffm from SVN has been doing a bit of wierd stuff from about the time > the xffm-deskview gui came into the equation ... > > it doesn't happen *all* the time, but most of the time it does. > > when i'm browsing through folders in icon view, if i browse to a lower > level that has fewer files/folder in it, then occasionally the > files/folders from the parent are still displayed in the level below (i > hope that makes sense) ... here is an example of what i mean: > > 1) http://www.machinehasnoagenda.com/images/folder_1.png > this is the parent folder ... all the icons are displayed properly. > > 2) http://www.machinehasnoagenda.com/images/folder_2.png > this is the rpm child folder ... as you can see, the > svn/tarball/and even rpm folders are displayed even though they're > not there. > > i'm pretty new to, um, complaining about this sort of stuff ... would i > put something like this on bugzilla? > No need to use bugzilla for this one. It has already been fixed in the 4.3.3.0 branch. I just sync'd with HEAD so if you do a svn update you should no longer see those ghost icons. -- Edscott Wilson Garcia From edscott at xfce.org Wed Aug 10 15:45:43 2005 From: edscott at xfce.org (Edscott Wilson Garcia) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 08:45:43 -0500 Subject: xffm-deskview In-Reply-To: <42F9C821.6070007@gmail.com> References: <42F9C821.6070007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1123681543.22369.156.camel@scorpio> El mi?, 10-08-2005 a las 19:25 +1000, Mr Machine escribi?: > sorry for all these questions (i'm writing an xfce how-to for some > friends whom i've xfce'd, in preparation for the next release) ... > > was hoping someone could clear up a few queries about xffm-deskview (and > most recent kid on the block, xffm-desktop) ... i read from the dev-blog xffm-deskview and xffm-desktop are synonymous (I get mixed up with these two names so I use them both). Xffm creates symlinks but only four executables (not counting the apps dir). These are xffm-run, xffm-deskview, xffm-treeview and xffm-iconview. Xffm-run is meant to be a faster replacement for xfrun4 (still testing and tweaking). > that there was some screwiness with setting the background with > xffm-deskview. apparently it will grab it only when it has been set > *after* deskview starts. i've tried this with xsetbg, but no go ... if > however i kill xffm-deskview, start xfdesktop, then restart > xffm-deskview, open "desktop settings", tick and untick the "show image" > button, i get xffm-deskview plus my background. but then if i save the > session on exit, it don't give me the same setup on logging in (i have > to basically go through the above steps again). is there a better way to > do this, or is this still being worked on? The behaviour is to avoid screwiness caused by programs which leave a bogus Pixmap on exit. As such, xffm-deskview will assume the Pixmap it finds and startup is bogus, whether it is or not, and use a solid background. After startup it will accept any Pixmap set by an external program which is referenced by the X property _XSETROOT_ID. Apparently xsetbg does not set this property. I'll look into what it actually does and see if I can add support for 4.3.3 release. When you tick and untick the "show image" button at desktop settings, xffm-deskview notices that the Pixmap has changed and updates accordingly (here the X property _XSETROOT_ID is used). I'm not sure whether the desktop setting plugin can be invoked on a command line basis. If it can (probably not) then you could put the command into the environment variable DESKTOP_BG_COMMAND from the filemanager setting plugin. Anyways, I'll let you know if it is possible (i.e., not too difficult) to enable support for xsetbg later today... -- Edscott Wilson Garcia From bob4mail at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 18:16:45 2005 From: bob4mail at gmail.com (Roberto -MadBob- Guido) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:16:45 +0000 Subject: xffm-deskview In-Reply-To: <1123681543.22369.156.camel@scorpio> References: <42F9C821.6070007@gmail.com> <1123681543.22369.156.camel@scorpio> Message-ID: <42FA286D.4040507@gmail.com> Edscott Wilson Garcia wrote: > When you tick and untick the "show image" button at desktop settings, > xffm-deskview notices that the Pixmap has changed and updates > accordingly (here the X property _XSETROOT_ID is used). > Ehm... Sorry if I'm OT, but in those days I'm just going crazy trying to understand how XFCE can show always the same desktop also when workspace is switched: working around a XFCE "fork" I have touched some piece of code, and I can't return to the original situation (maintaining other changing...). The main window of desktop have type == "_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DESKTOP", but when I switch workspace the window manager hide all windows *included* the desktop window! I recognize I've do some changes to the STICKY properties of windows (in short: I've removed it): the problem can be due this bad manipulation? Or: have you other suggestions about potential causes of the problem? Thanks for help (and sorry for OT). -- ____ __ ___ ______ / __ \ / \/ /\/ ____/\ http://madbob.homelinux.com / __/\/ /\_/ / / /\___\/ bob4mail[AT]gmail[DOT]com / /\ \_\/ / / / / /__/ /\ /_/ /\_\/_/ //_/ /______/ / Project Maintainer: \_\/ \_\_\/ \_\/\______\/ http://BrainTop.sf.net Roberto -MadBob- Guido http://Hyppocampus.sf.net From jasper at xfce.org Wed Aug 10 16:41:59 2005 From: jasper at xfce.org (Jasper Huijsmans) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:41:59 +0200 Subject: xffm-deskview In-Reply-To: <42FA286D.4040507@gmail.com> References: <42F9C821.6070007@gmail.com> <1123681543.22369.156.camel@scorpio> <42FA286D.4040507@gmail.com> Message-ID: <42FA1237.70602@xfce.org> Roberto -MadBob- Guido schreef: > Edscott Wilson Garcia wrote: > >>When you tick and untick the "show image" button at desktop settings, >>xffm-deskview notices that the Pixmap has changed and updates >>accordingly (here the X property _XSETROOT_ID is used). >> > > Ehm... Sorry if I'm OT, but in those days I'm just going crazy trying to > understand how XFCE can show always the same desktop also when workspace is > switched: working around a XFCE "fork" I have touched some piece of code, and I > can't return to the original situation (maintaining other changing...). > > The main window of desktop have type == "_NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_DESKTOP", but when > I switch workspace the window manager hide all windows *included* the desktop > window! I recognize I've do some changes to the STICKY properties of windows (in > short: I've removed it): the problem can be due this bad manipulation? Or: have > you other suggestions about potential causes of the problem? > If a window is not sticky it will only show up on 1 workspace. This is, apparently, also true for desktop windows. And this has indeed nothing to do with xffm-deskview... Jasper From jasper at xfce.org Wed Aug 10 16:43:40 2005 From: jasper at xfce.org (Jasper Huijsmans) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:43:40 +0200 Subject: xffm-deskview In-Reply-To: <42F9C821.6070007@gmail.com> References: <42F9C821.6070007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <42FA129C.7060607@xfce.org> Mr Machine schreef: > sorry for all these questions (i'm writing an xfce how-to for some > friends whom i've xfce'd, in preparation for the next release) ... > The questions are fine, but could you please use xfce4-dev at xfce.org? The xfce-dev list is not being used anymore. Jasper From edscott at xfce.org Thu Aug 11 02:37:07 2005 From: edscott at xfce.org (Edscott Wilson Garcia) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:37:07 -0500 Subject: xffm-deskview In-Reply-To: <42F9C821.6070007@gmail.com> References: <42F9C821.6070007@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1123720627.12127.7.camel@scorpio> El mi?, 10-08-2005 a las 19:25 +1000, Mr Machine escribi?: > sorry for all these questions (i'm writing an xfce how-to for some > friends whom i've xfce'd, in preparation for the next release) ... > > was hoping someone could clear up a few queries about xffm-deskview (and > most recent kid on the block, xffm-desktop) ... i read from the dev-blog > that there was some screwiness with setting the background with > xffm-deskview. apparently it will grab it only when it has been set > *after* deskview starts. i've tried this with xsetbg, but no go ... if > however i kill xffm-deskview, start xfdesktop, then restart > xffm-deskview, open "desktop settings", tick and untick the "show image" > button, i get xffm-deskview plus my background. but then if i save the > session on exit, it don't give me the same setup on logging in (i have > to basically go through the above steps again). is there a better way to > do this, or is this still being worked on? Just checked on xsetbg (or xloadimage) and it does not keep the root pixmap around on exit. Unfortunately this means it will not work to set the background for xffm-deskview. Better use "fvwm-root -r". > > shayne > _______________________________________________ > Xfce-dev mailing list > Xfce-dev at xfce.org > http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce-dev > -- Edscott Wilson Garcia From machinehasnoagenda at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 04:15:38 2005 From: machinehasnoagenda at gmail.com (Mr Machine) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:15:38 +1000 Subject: xffm-deskview In-Reply-To: <1123720627.12127.7.camel@scorpio> References: <42F9C821.6070007@gmail.com> <1123720627.12127.7.camel@scorpio> Message-ID: <100b74f10508101915779db7b7@mail.gmail.com> On 8/11/05, Edscott Wilson Garcia wrote: > El mi?, 10-08-2005 a las 19:25 +1000, Mr Machine escribi?: > > sorry for all these questions (i'm writing an xfce how-to for some > > friends whom i've xfce'd, in preparation for the next release) ... > > > > was hoping someone could clear up a few queries about xffm-deskview (and > > most recent kid on the block, xffm-desktop) ... i read from the dev-blog > > that there was some screwiness with setting the background with > > xffm-deskview. apparently it will grab it only when it has been set > > *after* deskview starts. i've tried this with xsetbg, but no go ... if > > however i kill xffm-deskview, start xfdesktop, then restart > > xffm-deskview, open "desktop settings", tick and untick the "show image" > > button, i get xffm-deskview plus my background. but then if i save the > > session on exit, it don't give me the same setup on logging in (i have > > to basically go through the above steps again). is there a better way to > > do this, or is this still being worked on? > > Just checked on xsetbg (or xloadimage) and it does not keep the root > pixmap around on exit. Unfortunately this means it will not work to set > the background for xffm-deskview. Better use "fvwm-root -r". cool - this works well :) shayne From machinehasnoagenda at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 04:19:47 2005 From: machinehasnoagenda at gmail.com (Mr Machine) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:19:47 +1000 Subject: xffm, display/icon artifacts bug? In-Reply-To: <1123680972.22369.146.camel@scorpio> References: <42F9C611.4070408@gmail.com> <1123680972.22369.146.camel@scorpio> Message-ID: <100b74f105081019191c92864b@mail.gmail.com> On 8/10/05, Edscott Wilson Garcia wrote: > El mi?, 10-08-2005 a las 19:17 +1000, Mr Machine escribi?: > > hi, > > > > xffm from SVN has been doing a bit of wierd stuff from about the time > > the xffm-deskview gui came into the equation ... > > > > it doesn't happen *all* the time, but most of the time it does. > > > > when i'm browsing through folders in icon view, if i browse to a lower > > level that has fewer files/folder in it, then occasionally the > > files/folders from the parent are still displayed in the level below (i > > hope that makes sense) ... here is an example of what i mean: > > > > 1) http://www.machinehasnoagenda.com/images/folder_1.png > > this is the parent folder ... all the icons are displayed properly. > > > > 2) http://www.machinehasnoagenda.com/images/folder_2.png > > this is the rpm child folder ... as you can see, the > > svn/tarball/and even rpm folders are displayed even though they're > > not there. > > > > i'm pretty new to, um, complaining about this sort of stuff ... would i > > put something like this on bugzilla? > > > > No need to use bugzilla for this one. It has already been fixed in the > 4.3.3.0 branch. I just sync'd with HEAD so if you do a svn update you > should no longer see those ghost icons. yes ... all is as it should be :) thanx for the speedy help ... xfce rocks so hard it hurts! shayne -- Machine Has No Agenda http://www.machinehasnoagenda.com Free Culture, Music, Opinion ... From blaven at gmail.com Thu Aug 18 17:28:13 2005 From: blaven at gmail.com (Snake Roberts) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:28:13 -0400 Subject: Window hints with perl/tk Message-ID: <8467e2d9050818082815b4ac3b@mail.gmail.com> Hello: New to xfce and was wondering if anyone could point me to a tutorial or howto on setting window hints (sticky,no borders, ignored in the window list..etc) in perl/tk. Also, is there a way to do it in tcl/tk as well? Do I need certain versions of perl or tcl or the tk libs? Thanks B From jens.luedicke at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 13:52:09 2005 From: jens.luedicke at gmail.com (Jens Luedicke) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:52:09 +0200 Subject: Window hints with perl/tk In-Reply-To: <8467e2d9050818082815b4ac3b@mail.gmail.com> References: <8467e2d9050818082815b4ac3b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 8/18/05, Snake Roberts wrote: > Hello: > New to xfce and was wondering if anyone could point me to a tutorial > or howto on setting window hints (sticky,no borders, ignored in the > window list..etc) in perl/tk. Also, is there a way to do it in tcl/tk > as well? Do I need certain versions of perl or tcl or the tk libs? > Thanks I looked into the Tk manpages, but I couldn't find anything specific. I guess Tk is too old-skool to support window hints. I suggest to look at Gtk2-Perl. it is more modern and the docs suggest that you can so what you want. jens -- Jens Luedicke web: http://perldude.de/ From blaven at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 20:29:57 2005 From: blaven at gmail.com (Snake Roberts) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:29:57 -0400 Subject: e: Window hints with perl/tk Message-ID: <8467e2d9050819112949d4409f@mail.gmail.com> On 8/18/05, Snake Roberts wrote: > Hello: > New to xfce and was wondering if anyone could point me to a tutorial > or howto on setting window hints (sticky,no borders, ignored in the > window list..etc) in perl/tk. Also, is there a way to do it in tcl/tk > as well? Do I need certain versions of perl or tcl or the tk libs? > Thanks I looked into the Tk manpages, but I couldn't find anything specific. I guess Tk is too old-skool to support window hints. I suggest to look at Gtk2-Perl. it is more modern and the docs suggest that you can so what you want. jens thank you for the help, i will take a look at gtk2-perl!! B