[Xfce-bugs] [Bug 16515] Unify the location of trash in shortcut and tree views

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https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16515

--- Comment #2 from Jay Philips <philipz85 at hotmail.com> ---
(In reply to alexxcons from comment #1)
> With "home's child folders" you refer to "Pictures, Downloads and Documents"
> ?  I dont have these as root elements in the tree view.  So I am not sure
> what you mean with "below the child folders" in tree-view.  Can I make these
> folders appear in tree-view ? Or do you refer to an opened "home" directory ?

Yes that is what I was referring to, when Home is opened.

> I think your list is lacking some details:

Yes I wasnt considering the rearrangement option, as I was focused on the
default arrangement.

> Caja:       Bottom of fixed Places - re-arrangable bookmarks are below
> Nemo:     Button of Places, even below the re-arrangable bookmarks
> Nautilus: Bottom of fixed Places - re-arrangable bookmarks are below
> Thunar:   Bottom of fixed Places - re-arrangable bookmarks are below
> Dolphin:  In the middle of Places .. new bookmarks will be created below
> (though you can re-arrange all places)
> PCManFM: Bottom of fixed Places (if you count the others as "devices") -
> re-arrangable bookmarks are below

Lets have the details even more detailed.

1. Caja, Nemo, Nautilus (including file dialogs), PCManFM have a separate group
for Bookmarks.
2. Caja and Nautilus include the home child folders as part of the Places group
and do not allow their rearrangement.
3. Nemo, Dolphin, Thunar and PCManFM treat home's child folders similar to
bookmarks and allow them to be rearranged, irrespective if they are part of the
Places group or the Bookmarks group.
4. Caja, Nemo, Nautilus, and Dolphin, PCManFM put Trash at or close to the
bottom of Places group (atleast initially), irrespective of whether entries in
the group can be rearranged.

> So it seems to be "common sense" that trash is located on the button of
> places, but above the bookmarks
> (Only nemo seems to handle that in a different way)

Nemo doesn't handle it in a different way, which also includes Dolphin, it just
treats home's child folders similar to bookmarks, in that they can be
rearranged.

> iirc, your patch from Bug #11586 would resample nemo, by moving trash below
> the bookmarks .. I actually would say we are currently more
> "standard-conform".

Yes it would most resemble Nemo regarding Trash, as Nemo allows rearrangement
of home's child folders, which are located above it. Well actually we arent
really standard-conformant, as shown in point 4 above that all other file
managers put Trash at the bottom of Places group.

> imo a improvement could be to be able to re-arrange places and mix them with
> bookmarks, like in dolphin. ... though that probably would be alot of work
> for a small gain.

Going to dolphin's level is overkill and we have to set some things to be
customizable by the user and other things not to be. imo, having home's child
folders rearrangeable isnt good, as it breaks the placement of those folders in
tree view and in the file dialogs. Having a separate group for bookmarks is
also imo a good thing, so people are aware of this feature, and likely would be
more aware of it if we had a bookmarks menu item.

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