From samuel.verstraete at gmail.com Tue Mar 8 17:32:51 2005 From: samuel.verstraete at gmail.com (samuel verstraete) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 17:32:51 +0100 Subject: [Xfce-apps] proposition of framework Message-ID: <1110299571.6052.46.camel@gisoil07.ugent.be> So, As other 5 volunteers seem to have stop development of a framework on directory.xfce.org, I decided to volunteer... (find me on #xfce nick ElAngelo) The idea is simple and pretty logic. Lets center all applications and artwork for xfce4. url : directory.xfce.org I would subdivide the 2 "main categories" (lists are not exclusive.... others can and will be added) 1. applications - media - office - graphics - plug-ins - ... 2. art - desktop (let's keep this low priority) - window manager (window border art) - User Interface (gtk2.0 themes) - Icon themes - Splash Screens - xffm themes - rox themes? - ... Artwork will be controlled and certified. (for instance one can submit as much artwork as he likes but all of this artwork (not quite sure on the applications) will be tested by (a) maintainer(s) before they are released. I understand that this is in a way obstructive but it is mainly to guarantee a flawless xfce4 experience. None of the artwork is off course property so the submitter can submit his work on other websites too if he thinks the framework is to obstructive. As far as I see we need a framework where one could submit his artwork and depending on the "kind" of artwork it has to pass the maintainer before it is released. I will try to start guidelines of "good" artwork as quickly as possible... (i need some real standard themes for this so i can check against a standard). Next we could think on releasing themes in a package but that seems more like the work for the people of certain linux/bsd-distributions. I could release monthly tar.gz package which gathers all "certified" themes. This would then have to be done by a script as i don't think this is something someone wants to do on a monthly basis. (this seems like low priority for me now) I would like to keep the "applications" frame quite open until we have a substantial set of applications that are xfce-oriented. This is a matter of opportunism in a way that we do not scare developers away... (basically i don't have a lot ideas on the application thing) We have to make sure that even non-art-creators can submit artwork of other people. (giving credits to creator) This is mainly the case for gtk2 artwork. I can imagine that there will be theme creators that are not really interested in xfce4 but develop gtk2 for gnome... if these themes work on xfce somebody must be able to submit them For me, the framework of icewalkers.com seems quite nice. So I want a kind of "development" feeling in the framework. This will show to the art-creators that we think the artwork is important and will stimulate them to create nice themes. Notice the "feeling", as i do not want to create a second freshmeat or sourceforge. A real forum will only complicate things and is hard to maintain (especially if we ever want to bundle the artwork) We better have some wiki thing to so we can develop some howto's (although i want to be able to maintain and to monitor it) Now i want to create a little brainstorming on this subject i will try to bundle this to create the final thing :) This is not meant to be in any way obligatory so feel free to correct and add your own ideas :) gr, Samuel (and yes, i'm not a native speaker, as long as everybody understands me i'm happy) From sofar at lunar-linux.org Tue Mar 8 18:40:42 2005 From: sofar at lunar-linux.org (Auke Kok) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 18:40:42 +0100 Subject: [Xfce-apps] proposition of framework In-Reply-To: <1110299571.6052.46.camel@gisoil07.ugent.be> References: <1110299571.6052.46.camel@gisoil07.ugent.be> Message-ID: <422DE39A.5070105@foo-projects.org> samuel verstraete wrote: >So, > >As other 5 volunteers seem to have stop development of a framework on >directory.xfce.org, I decided to volunteer... > > you're hired. >(find me on #xfce nick ElAngelo) > >The idea is simple and pretty logic. >Lets center all applications and artwork for xfce4. > >url : directory.xfce.org > >I would subdivide the 2 "main categories" (lists are not exclusive.... >others can and will be added) > >1. applications > - media > - office > - graphics > - plug-ins > - ... > >2. art > - desktop (let's keep this low priority) > - window manager (window border art) > - User Interface (gtk2.0 themes) > - Icon themes > - Splash Screens > - xffm themes > - rox themes? > - ... > >Artwork will be controlled and certified. (for instance one can submit >as much artwork as he likes but all of this artwork (not quite sure on >the applications) will be tested by (a) maintainer(s) before they are >released. I understand that this is in a way obstructive but it is >mainly to guarantee a flawless xfce4 experience. None of the artwork is >off course property so the submitter can submit his work on other >websites too if he thinks the framework is to obstructive. > > verify any copyright issues, just to make sure there's not someone posting celeb photos and stuff like that. >As far as I see we need a framework where one could submit his artwork >and depending on the "kind" of artwork it has to pass the maintainer >before it is released. >I will try to start guidelines of "good" artwork as quickly as >possible... (i need some real standard themes for this so i can check >against a standard). > >Next we could think on releasing themes in a package but that seems more >like the work for the people of certain linux/bsd-distributions. I could >release monthly tar.gz package which gathers all "certified" themes. >This would then have to be done by a script as i don't think this is >something someone wants to do on a monthly basis. (this seems like low >priority for me now) > > tarballs are a good start. I wouldn't start doing this. Actually, a huge tarball might be a problem. Maybe in a later stage you can select 'popular' themes and package those. >I would like to keep the "applications" frame quite open until we have a >substantial set of applications that are xfce-oriented. This is a matter >of opportunism in a way that we do not scare developers away... > > freshmeat-like submission and verification would be enough I'd say... no need to make it complicated. >(basically i don't have a lot ideas on the application thing) > > darn... that's where we need you! >For me, the framework of icewalkers.com seems quite nice. >So I want a kind of "development" feeling in the framework. This will >show to the art-creators that we think the artwork is important and will >stimulate them to create nice themes. Notice the "feeling", as i do not >want to create a second freshmeat or sourceforge. > > of course >A real forum will only complicate things and is hard to maintain >(especially if we ever want to bundle the artwork) > > wasn't the idea anyway, we were more looking for something 'static-ish', to reduce the burden on maintainers as well as to keep it clean. >We better have some wiki thing to so we can develop some howto's >(although i want to be able to maintain and to monitor it) > > can be done, although the amount of docs you're gonna make probably is limited and you are far better off referring to existing documentation (or just copying those). That would save you a lot of time. >Now i want to create a little brainstorming on this subject i will try >to bundle this to create the final thing :) > >This is not meant to be in any way obligatory so feel free to correct >and add your own ideas :) > > I guess we just ened to find a proper way to setup the website... the CMS of choice probably is the most important choice... thoughts? sofar From benedikt.meurer at unix-ag.uni-siegen.de Tue Mar 8 19:15:58 2005 From: benedikt.meurer at unix-ag.uni-siegen.de (Benedikt Meurer) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 19:15:58 +0100 Subject: [Xfce-apps] proposition of framework In-Reply-To: <1110299571.6052.46.camel@gisoil07.ugent.be> References: <1110299571.6052.46.camel@gisoil07.ugent.be> Message-ID: <422DEBDE.5040409@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de> samuel verstraete wrote: > I would like to keep the "applications" frame quite open until we have a > substantial set of applications that are xfce-oriented. This is a matter > of opportunism in a way that we do not scare developers away... > (basically i don't have a lot ideas on the application thing) Currently, we have Xfmedia, Terminal and a few panel plugins. > gr, > Samuel Benedikt From sofar at lunar-linux.org Tue Mar 8 22:16:56 2005 From: sofar at lunar-linux.org (Auke Kok) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 22:16:56 +0100 Subject: [Xfce-apps] proposition of framework In-Reply-To: <422DEBDE.5040409@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de> References: <1110299571.6052.46.camel@gisoil07.ugent.be> <422DEBDE.5040409@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de> Message-ID: <422E1648.6040307@lunar-linux.org> Benedikt Meurer wrote: > samuel verstraete wrote: > >> I would like to keep the "applications" frame quite open until we have a >> substantial set of applications that are xfce-oriented. This is a matter >> of opportunism in a way that we do not scare developers away... >> (basically i don't have a lot ideas on the application thing) > > > Currently, we have Xfmedia, Terminal and a few panel plugins. mousepad! sofar From samuel.verstraete at ugent.be Tue Mar 8 17:30:00 2005 From: samuel.verstraete at ugent.be (samuel verstraete) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 17:30:00 +0100 Subject: [Xfce-apps] proposition of framework Message-ID: <1110299400.6052.44.camel@gisoil07.ugent.be> So, As other 5 volunteers seem to have stop development of a framework on directory.xfce.org, I decided to volunteer... (find me on #xfce nick ElAngelo) The idea is simple and pretty logic. Lets center all applications and artwork for xfce4. url : directory.xfce.org I would subdivide the 2 "main categories" (lists are not exclusive.... others can and will be added) 1. applications - media - office - graphics - plug-ins - ... 2. art - desktop (let's keep this low priority) - window manager (window border art) - User Interface (gtk2.0 themes) - Icon themes - Splash Screens - xffm themes - rox themes? - ... Artwork will be controlled and certified. (for instance one can submit as much artwork as he likes but all of this artwork (not quite sure on the applications) will be tested by (a) maintainer(s) before they are released. I understand that this is in a way obstructive but it is mainly to guarantee a flawless xfce4 experience. None of the artwork is off course property so the submitter can submit his work on other websites too if he thinks the framework is to obstructive. As far as I see we need a framework where one could submit his artwork and depending on the "kind" of artwork it has to pass the maintainer before it is released. I will try to start guidelines of "good" artwork as quickly as possible... (i need some real standard themes for this so i can check against a standard). Next we could think on releasing themes in a package but that seems more like the work for the people of certain linux/bsd-distributions. I could release monthly tar.gz package which gathers all "certified" themes. This would then have to be done by a script as i don't think this is something someone wants to do on a monthly basis. (this seems like low priority for me now) I would like to keep the "applications" frame quite open until we have a substantial set of applications that are xfce-oriented. This is a matter of opportunism in a way that we do not scare developers away... (basically i don't have a lot ideas on the application thing) We have to make sure that even non-art-creators can submit artwork of other people. (giving credits to creator) This is mainly the case for gtk2 artwork. I can imagine that there will be theme creators that are not really interested in xfce4 but develop gtk2 for gnome... if these themes work on xfce somebody must be able to submit them For me, the framework of icewalkers.com seems quite nice. So I want a kind of "development" feeling in the framework. This will show to the art-creators that we think the artwork is important and will stimulate them to create nice themes. Notice the "feeling", as i do not want to create a second freshmeat or sourceforge. A real forum will only complicate things and is hard to maintain (especially if we ever want to bundle the artwork) We better have some wiki thing to so we can develop some howto's (although i want to be able to maintain and to monitor it) Now i want to create a little brainstorming on this subject i will try to bundle this to create the final thing :) This is not meant to be in any way obligatory so feel free to correct and add your own ideas :) gr, Samuel (and yes, i'm not a native speaker, as long as everybody understands me i'm happy) From benedikt.meurer at unix-ag.uni-siegen.de Tue Mar 8 22:24:39 2005 From: benedikt.meurer at unix-ag.uni-siegen.de (Benedikt Meurer) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 22:24:39 +0100 Subject: [Xfce-apps] proposition of framework In-Reply-To: <422E1648.6040307@lunar-linux.org> References: <1110299571.6052.46.camel@gisoil07.ugent.be> <422DEBDE.5040409@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de> <422E1648.6040307@lunar-linux.org> Message-ID: <422E1817.1070309@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de> Auke Kok wrote: >> samuel verstraete wrote: >> >>> I would like to keep the "applications" frame quite open until we have a >>> substantial set of applications that are xfce-oriented. This is a matter >>> of opportunism in a way that we do not scare developers away... >>> (basically i don't have a lot ideas on the application thing) >> >> Currently, we have Xfmedia, Terminal and a few panel plugins. > > mousepad! Ah, right. And we should probably add the goodies here as well. Tho, in separate categories: "applications" and "panel plugins". > sofar Benedikt From chibifs at gmail.com Wed Mar 9 08:49:36 2005 From: chibifs at gmail.com (James Golden) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 02:49:36 -0500 Subject: [Xfce-apps] proposition of framework In-Reply-To: <422E1817.1070309@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de> References: <1110299571.6052.46.camel@gisoil07.ugent.be> <422DEBDE.5040409@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de> <422E1648.6040307@lunar-linux.org> <422E1817.1070309@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de> Message-ID: On the subject of the framework props, I'm highly fond of the way http://www.gnomefiles.org 's frontpage is set up. Aside from the ratings stuff, anyway. The big clear icons really help the look, we could do something similar with the Rodent icon theme instead. A recent additions bar is a must, too. I think the site's color scheme should follow one of our GTK themes, maybe dawn, 4.2. or the default theme-- Though if I were to choose myself, I would probably go with an Olive set, I'm fond of cream colors much over whites. While colors aren't key, they should be highly considered.Black on White is a pain in the eyes, White on Black turns people away. My own site, for example, uses a cream blue and yellow scheme, with white text, and it gets at lest 5 times as many visits a week as it did when I had more content and a more personal green on black scheme. I'm of course not suggesting we steal all of art.gnome.org and gnome-look.org's visiters via beuaty, but I do think that XFCE users shouldn't need to visit those sites as often. :o As of my absense since we started this, I've been getting through a lot, lately. I have driving school, work, making plans for a friend to visit, my mother and father who live seperately are both losing their homes, and the whole family is flat broke. Things are starting to brighten, but I'm still getting pulled around-- Oh yeah, and I have my other dev communities I hang out in, too. World of Warcraft UI development projects, and Second Life LSL scripts. From samuel.verstraete at gmail.com Wed Mar 9 08:57:29 2005 From: samuel.verstraete at gmail.com (samuel verstraete) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 08:57:29 +0100 Subject: [Xfce-apps] proposition of framework In-Reply-To: <422E1817.1070309@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de> References: <1110299571.6052.46.camel@gisoil07.ugent.be> <422DEBDE.5040409@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de> <422E1648.6040307@lunar-linux.org> <422E1817.1070309@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de> Message-ID: On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 22:24:39 +0100, Benedikt Meurer wrote: > Auke Kok wrote: > >> samuel verstraete wrote: > >> > >>> I would like to keep the "applications" frame quite open until we have a > >>> substantial set of applications that are xfce-oriented. This is a matter > >>> of opportunism in a way that we do not scare developers away... > >>> (basically i don't have a lot ideas on the application thing) > >> > >> Currently, we have Xfmedia, Terminal and a few panel plugins. > > > > mousepad! > > Ah, right. > > And we should probably add the goodies here as well. Tho, in separate > categories: "applications" and "panel plugins". > > > sofar > > Benedikt ok then i have art applications (panel) plugins Are you sure that there will remain enough difference between plugins and applications? For my part plug ins have always had a kind of negative feeling (like in minor). And we'll concentrate on xfce only (so rox will be ignored) Shall i take the framework of KDE-apps.org for the division of applications? Office Multimedia Graphic Network Printing Text Editors Education Games Development Administration Scientific Security Utilities It seems a little huge in my point of view... Although the extra effort is limited (i can make as many subdivision as we would like) it's also a little bit strange and non-attractive to see empty categories. Second thing i wondered is if you guys would like to keep a consistent look with www.xfce.org . Off course i keeps things nicely together but it makes it more interesting for us (me and a mate of mine) if we are free in this matter... (i would keep it simple and clear so don't expect a dark cluttered website but ... ) Sofar, i contacted you on irc for the server side of things... do you read this stuff or was it a worthless effort? gr, S > _______________________________________________ > Xfce-apps mailing list > Xfce-apps at xfce.org > http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce-apps > From benedikt.meurer at unix-ag.uni-siegen.de Wed Mar 9 10:05:02 2005 From: benedikt.meurer at unix-ag.uni-siegen.de (Benedikt Meurer) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 10:05:02 +0100 Subject: [Xfce-apps] proposition of framework In-Reply-To: References: <1110299571.6052.46.camel@gisoil07.ugent.be> <422DEBDE.5040409@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de> <422E1648.6040307@lunar-linux.org> <422E1817.1070309@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de> Message-ID: <422EBC3E.3070608@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de> samuel verstraete wrote: > On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 22:24:39 +0100, Benedikt Meurer > wrote: > >>Auke Kok wrote: >> >>>>samuel verstraete wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>I would like to keep the "applications" frame quite open until we have a >>>>>substantial set of applications that are xfce-oriented. This is a matter >>>>>of opportunism in a way that we do not scare developers away... >>>>>(basically i don't have a lot ideas on the application thing) >>>> >>>>Currently, we have Xfmedia, Terminal and a few panel plugins. >>> >>>mousepad! >> >>Ah, right. >> >>And we should probably add the goodies here as well. Tho, in separate >>categories: "applications" and "panel plugins". >> >> >>>sofar >> >>Benedikt > > > ok then i have > > art > applications > (panel) plugins > > Are you sure that there will remain enough difference between plugins > and applications? For my part plug ins have always had a kind of > negative feeling (like in minor). Dunno. Maybe it's better to separate applications from plugins, maybe not. It's up to you to decide. ;-) Benedikt From sofar at lunar-linux.org Wed Mar 9 11:21:35 2005 From: sofar at lunar-linux.org (Auke Kok) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 11:21:35 +0100 Subject: [Xfce-apps] proposition of framework In-Reply-To: References: <1110299571.6052.46.camel@gisoil07.ugent.be> <422DEBDE.5040409@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de> <422E1648.6040307@lunar-linux.org> <422E1817.1070309@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de> Message-ID: <422ECE2F.4050804@lunar-linux.org> samuel verstraete wrote: >On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 22:24:39 +0100, Benedikt Meurer > wrote: > > >> >>And we should probably add the goodies here as well. Tho, in separate >>categories: "applications" and "panel plugins". >> >> > >ok then i have > >art >applications >(panel) plugins > >Are you sure that there will remain enough difference between plugins >and applications? For my part plug ins have always had a kind of >negative feeling (like in minor). >And we'll concentrate on xfce only (so rox will be ignored) > > why? I would say that rox (albeit not the preferred choice) and devilspie are amongst the first two programs I see fit for an xfce directory. If only it was to signal to people that 'allternatives' exist and work well. (root-tail?!) >Shall i take the framework of KDE-apps.org for the division of applications? >Office >Multimedia > ... >Scientific >Security >Utilities > >It seems a little huge in my point of view... > mine too. Do we need this? it would risk showing more empty categories in the beginning... that would signal to the user that there is hardly anything around for xfce. > Although the extra >effort is limited (i can make as many subdivision as we would like) >it's also a little bit strange and non-attractive to see empty >categories. > >Second thing i wondered is if you guys would like to keep a consistent >look with www.xfce.org . Off course i keeps things nicely together but >it makes it more interesting for us (me and a mate of mine) if we are >free in this matter... (i would keep it simple and clear so don't >expect a dark cluttered website but ... ) > > not particularly. You're free to pick a complete other design. A 'clean' design would probably fit xfce best though, so stay low on heavy graphics. It should be pretty of course, a little eye-candy doesn't hurt either. >Sofar, i contacted you on irc for the server side of things... do you >read this stuff or was it a worthless effort? > I see... everything =^D sofar From samuel.verstraete at gmail.com Fri Mar 11 10:43:11 2005 From: samuel.verstraete at gmail.com (samuel verstraete) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:43:11 +0100 Subject: [Xfce-apps] proposition of framework In-Reply-To: References: <1110299571.6052.46.camel@gisoil07.ugent.be> <422DEBDE.5040409@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de> <422E1648.6040307@lunar-linux.org> <422E1817.1070309@unix-ag.uni-siegen.de> Message-ID: <1110534191.3432.43.camel@gisoil07.ugent.be> ok, a little bit further down the trail... 1. View gnomefiles.org? For me it is way too cluttered... I want a cleaner interface. The icons is a good idea though, but if we're not going to use the division of the applications i don't really see the urge of it... maybe later on. If I'll use icons ever, I'd probably go with Etiquette. Colors of the website... well i don't want the colors to be that different from the xfce base website so prolly I'll stick with these. Also remember that this is only the first version of the website. As everything is going to be put in a database there's no real need on making everything right immediately, at least not on the interface thing. I want it first to work before i start messing with the interface... I'll try to get the thing up and running as quickly as we can without a real special nice interface... when it's working we'll start with version 1.0 (seeing the other as an alpha or beta release) which will show an interface resembling xfce.org (but with more eyecandy) 2. Rating system. Still doubting on user rating, download rating or admin rating. User rating is nice but requires everybody (who is going to rate) to register. (first thought of using the xfce forum user database but that is out of the question as it is on a different server). And just registering for rating seems over it... and maybe not that much users will take the effort (???). On the other hand if everybody registers, comments are possible and advice for further development can be posted... Download rating just seems plain stupid but would be an alternative... Admin rating... pretty stupid too except if i can do this with at least 5 people... 3. Categories Desktops and screen-shots is out. Too much work and it will turn the whole thing into a mess that i would like to avoid. Still doubting on separating plug-ins from applications. Separating them means that there must be a clear difference... And I'm not sure if there always is a difference. After all, for me all applications are plug-ins for my window manager. This is a little exaggerated but it's to illustrate my point. If everyone likes it to be separated then I'll do this but then I need a clear cut definition :) Discussing the idea of which applications to include and which to abandon we seemed to have agreed that rox is out... as it doesn't fit the definition : [quoting Kelnos on this one ;) (added the art thing)] pointing people to apps and artwork written/developed for xfce and/or using xfce's foundation libs So that keeps in the artwork section : xfce window manager (so window borders) / icon themes / splash screen themes / gtk2.0 themes (this is a kind of special class) / xffm themes Trying to build up a modular design so sections can be added or removed later. One thing i need clarity on, is if you guys would like the "old" themes of xfce 3 and things like that included in the website? And how are next versions developing... will we be able to use themes of xfce4.2 for next versions? You understand that i need this information for the structure of the db. 4. framework The framework will be a custom one... so no existing cms or anything like that. I found myself a php coder that will help me with that... (Blue_Ice , thnx :bow: ) The code has already been used in some other websites but i understand that it is highly flexible and my coder (lol) is cleaning up the code... seems like there's a lot of trash inside that i'm not even allowed to see... so long S On Wed, 2005-03-09 at 02:49 -0500, James Golden wrote: > On the subject of the framework props, I'm highly fond of the way > http://www.gnomefiles.org 's frontpage is set up. Aside from the > ratings stuff, anyway. The big clear icons really help the look, we > could do something similar with the Rodent icon theme instead. A > recent additions bar is a must, too. > > I think the site's color scheme should follow one of our GTK themes, > maybe dawn, 4.2. or the default theme-- Though if I were to choose > myself, I would probably go with an Olive set, I'm fond of cream > colors much over whites. While colors aren't key, they should be > highly considered.Black on White is a pain in the eyes, White on Black > turns people away. My own site, for example, uses a cream blue and > yellow scheme, with white text, and it gets at lest 5 times as many > visits a week as it did when I had more content and a more personal > green on black scheme. I'm of course not suggesting we steal all of > art.gnome.org and gnome-look.org's visiters via beuaty, but I do think > that XFCE users shouldn't need to visit those sites as often. :o > > As of my absense since we started this, I've been getting through a > lot, lately. I have driving school, work, making plans for a friend to > visit, my mother and father who live seperately are both losing their > homes, and the whole family is flat broke. Things are starting to > brighten, but I'm still getting pulled around-- Oh yeah, and I have my > other dev communities I hang out in, too. World of Warcraft UI > development projects, and Second Life LSL scripts. > _______________________________________________ > Xfce-apps mailing list > Xfce-apps at xfce.org > http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce-apps From masse_nicolas at yahoo.fr Wed Mar 23 18:56:20 2005 From: masse_nicolas at yahoo.fr (masse nicolas) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:56:20 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Xfce-apps] proposition of framework Message-ID: <20050323175621.93115.qmail@web26003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi all, something also imporant is the way repositories will be managed. Do we have to use a ftp server, will there be a cvs server available (is it faisaible?), how must develloppers upload there files? You said about themes that you would like them to pass a test, will it be also the case for apps and plugins? (BTW: I think they must be in separate section). Will them all or some of them also have to pass some kind of test? (Note: it can be a good think sine it ensure some quality) Finally, one last thing: I would like in such a site to have some news of what is under work. For example you can post something every time a program/plugin/theme is updated or when a new one is uploaded. This have 2 avantages I think: - Everybody can easily be aware of the current state of each work, and see when there is something new. - It makes people feel that something is on the way and that work is in progress. (If we have a look at the XFCE-Goodies page, we can see that it's always the same page we have. It makes an impression of something figed, who don't move anymore.) Well, all that are just my thought. I hope it can help in a way or another.. Masse Nicolas. __________________________________________________________________ D?couvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 250 Mo d'espace de stockage pour vos mails ! Cr?ez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.mail.yahoo.com/ From sofar at lunar-linux.org Wed Mar 23 19:10:05 2005 From: sofar at lunar-linux.org (Auke Kok) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:10:05 +0100 Subject: [Xfce-apps] proposition of framework In-Reply-To: <20050323175621.93115.qmail@web26003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20050323175621.93115.qmail@web26003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4241B0FD.4030605@lunar-linux.org> masse nicolas wrote: >Hi all, > >something also imporant is the way repositories will >be managed. Do we have to use a ftp server, will there >be a cvs server available (is it faisaible?), how must >develloppers upload there files? > > The maintainer(s) of the site will get full access (ssh). However, this is restricted to the absolute minimum number of people. Other people can register on the website and upload files if needed. The server is http only, so no ftp. All projects that wish to use the subversion server (we're still on CVS but moving to SVN at the moment) can migrate their projects to the xfce subversion repository if they wish (proper approval needed as usual). >You said about themes that you would like them to pass >a test, will it be also the case for apps and plugins? > > I hope so! >(BTW: I think they must be in separate section). Will >them all or some of them also have to pass some kind >of test? (Note: it can be a good think sine it ensure >some quality) > > well, I think it's important that submissions and uploads are tested and verified before putting them live on the website. I'm sure that this will be taken into account. >Finally, one last thing: I would like in such a site >to have some news of what is under work. For example >you can post something every time a >program/plugin/theme is updated or when a new one is >uploaded. This have 2 avantages I think: >- Everybody can easily be aware of the current state >of each work, and see when there is something new. >- It makes people feel that something is on the way >and that work is in progress. (If we have a look at >the XFCE-Goodies page, we can see that it's always the >same page we have. It makes an impression of something >figed, who don't move anymore.) > I'm pretty sure this is what we're gonna setup ;^). Care to help? sofar From samuel.verstraete at gmail.com Wed Mar 23 20:06:30 2005 From: samuel.verstraete at gmail.com (samuel verstraete) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:06:30 +0100 Subject: [Xfce-apps] proposition of framework In-Reply-To: <4241B0FD.4030605@lunar-linux.org> References: <20050323175621.93115.qmail@web26003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4241B0FD.4030605@lunar-linux.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:10:05 +0100, Auke Kok wrote: > masse nicolas wrote: > > >Hi all, > > > >something also imporant is the way repositories will > >be managed. Do we have to use a ftp server, will there > >be a cvs server available (is it faisaible?), how must > >develloppers upload there files? > > > > > The maintainer(s) of the site will get full access (ssh). However, this > is restricted to the absolute minimum number of people. Other people can > register on the website and upload files if needed. The server is http > only, so no ftp. > > All projects that wish to use the subversion server (we're still on CVS > but moving to SVN at the moment) can migrate their projects to the xfce > subversion repository if they wish (proper approval needed as usual). > As i said i don't want a second freshmeat or sourceforge... I think i will not allow upload of tarballs of applications... a direct download link to the tarball will be enough I think. > >You said about themes that you would like them to pass > >a test, will it be also the case for apps and plugins? > > > > > I hope so! > > >(BTW: I think they must be in separate section). Will > >them all or some of them also have to pass some kind > >of test? (Note: it can be a good think sine it ensure > >some quality) > > > > > well, I think it's important that submissions and uploads are tested and > verified before putting them live on the website. I'm sure that this > will be taken into account. > Indeed my intentions are to test apps, plugins and themes before "releasing" them to the public... I think I will dedicate a virtual linux to this so I test with the "same" installation. Still not sure on the distro or the packages... > >Finally, one last thing: I would like in such a site > >to have some news of what is under work. For example > >you can post something every time a > >program/plugin/theme is updated or when a new one is > >uploaded. This have 2 avantages I think: > >- Everybody can easily be aware of the current state > >of each work, and see when there is something new. > >- It makes people feel that something is on the way > >and that work is in progress. (If we have a look at > >the XFCE-Goodies page, we can see that it's always the > >same page we have. It makes an impression of something > >figed, who don't move anymore.) I think this is a very nice idea... Show that xfce is a living creature and work is done every day... > > > > I'm pretty sure this is what we're gonna setup ;^). Care to help? > > sofar > > _______________________________________________ > Xfce-apps mailing list > Xfce-apps at xfce.org > http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce-apps > From masse_nicolas at yahoo.fr Thu Mar 24 16:10:34 2005 From: masse_nicolas at yahoo.fr (masse nicolas) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:10:34 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Xfce-apps] proposition of framework In-Reply-To: 6667 Message-ID: <20050324151034.83437.qmail@web26005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:10:05 +0100, Auke Kok > wrote: > > ... > > I'm pretty sure this is what we're gonna setup ;^). Coooolllll :D > Care to help? > Hmm, I don't know if I would have a lot of time, but why not? I don't think I would take part on writting the site itself, but perhaps can I write one or some tutorials. I can also help for the migration from XFCE-Goodies to directory.xfce.org. --- samuel verstraete wrote: > Indeed my intentions are to test apps, plugins and > themes before > "releasing" them to the public... I think I will > dedicate a virtual > linux to this so I test with the "same" installation. > Still not sure > on the distro or the packages... Alternatively, I can do the same thing and do some testing. Masse Nicolas. __________________________________________________________________ D?couvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 250 Mo d'espace de stockage pour vos mails ! Cr?ez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.mail.yahoo.com/